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Old 02-23-2008, 11:53 PM
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Default History of Swissvax/Swissol and Zymol

Well, I was doing a search between Best of Show and concorso and started seeing post about the history between the two companys. These are quotes from wise_85 on autopia aka waxy on detailing world.

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A brief history on swissol,for those that don't know.The swissol company is the original founder of 'high end waxes'.In the 1970's,a member of the Anwander family(swissol),came to the usa,from Switzerland,with the intention of selling some of the wax formulars,but when she found out that the usa market was only interested in 'mass production',it was decided that the formulars would be sold,and produced in the usa,not by the Anwander family,as this went against the family tradition of hand made products,in a carefully controlled environment.Theese formulars were Enzyme based(air acts as a catalyst to cure the wax),and were originaly distributed by Turtle wax,shortly before the Zymol(ZYM-FROM ENZYME) company was founded in 1980.
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I have a 'distant' connection with the company,as several relatives work for the Anwander family at their Switzerland headquarters.I wasn't to clear about the 'suffix' name change,the agreement between the two companies,states (among other things),that Swissol will have a new 'suffix' to the Swiss 'prefix,18 months from the date of the litigation settlement,so at the moment they are Swissol/Swizol as before,but will become Swiss** around May 2007.

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I can't really comment on where myall00 got his information from,but he is not correct in saying that the Anwander formula was stolen,or taken without permission.The Anwander family never 're -launched any formulas,the Enzyme based formula/formulas were sold to the *Group*,who shortly after founded the Zymol corporation,because the Anwander family didn't care for the idea of 'mass production'.The Anwander family always had the non Enzyme based formulas,which were considered far more *precious* as they were originaly only developed for the private use of Hans Anwander,grandfather and founder of the company.The *precious formulas*were known as ''Antikwachs'' and were made in Zurich,and today's waxes are a 'modified ' version of that original formula.The Zymol corporation got the Enzyme based formula(s),so there was no ''ripping off'' done to Swissol,what has happened is a long running feud between the two groups,fueled by a desire for ''mass profit'',and to protect this profit by making claims about the 'similarites' between products,eg colour,scent,and then launching litigation on the grounds of copyright infringement/sale losses.You could claim that some of the Zymol/Swissol waxes are similar,yes but how many other products 'look/smell' similar.The feud will stop,as Swissol will change the 'suffix' of their name,for trading outside of the *Teritory*,which was a voluntery undertaking by the Anwander family.I don't know if you are familiar with the Victoria wax company,one could claim their formulas are very similar(their best high end wax is called 'concours'),and the founder of the company used to work for the Zymol corporation,but i don't think that 'these' products are seen as a threat to Zymol,as the company operates from canada, and is relatively small.
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Both are great,High end products,but i personaly would favour the swissol waxes more I have used both,the Zymol concours is a little harder to work with,as it is an enzyme mixture.The Swissol concourso(like all swissol waxes) can be applied to the whole car and then left before removal,without any problem.I find the Zymol concours to be very deep and clear,gives amazing long range clarity(DOI),the Swissol concourso is also very deep,clear,but it gives a unique glow to any colour,but is more noticable on dark paints.The formula of Swissol concourso was changed about two years ago(along with the name,it is now called Smaragd,Best of show),the concourso contains both white and yellow #1 carnauba as Zymol concours,but has a slightly lower content of the white,and is richer in its oil content.The new Smaragd version is almost all #1 yellow carnauba,that is unbleached,has a lower oil content than concourso,and contains slightly more wax.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:05 AM
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Zymol and Swissol now know as Swissvax has a long history and not a friendly one too
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Zymol and Swissol now know as Swissvax has a long history and not a friendly one too
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Zymol has a history of engaging in litigation over intellectual property issues. In 2004, Zymol brought a trademark infringement, unfair competition, copyright and trade secret lawsuit against Anwander & Co. AG, then a manufacturer of Swissol detailing products in Switzerland. Zymol contended, among other things, that the name Swissol, and labels, product colors and scents used by Swissol, was confusingly similar to and infringed on Zymol’s copyrights and trademarks. A settlement was reached in which Anwander & Co. AG changed its trade name Swissol to Swissvax.
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Old 02-24-2008, 12:09 AM
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I read/dug quite a bit on Zymol vs Swissvax as well LanceM but at the end I decided that I would try them both and see which one would be better...so that's why I went a head with my Divine...can't wait to get it and start using it.
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i agree. I was just fascinated with the history between the the companies. I believe that both make excellent products.
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i agree. I was just fascinated with the history between the the companies. I believe that both make excellent products.
Oh I agree with you, the history is very, very interesting...well at least I found it interesting and these two are some of the dominating products/company's in the market.
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Good post Lance!
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Thanks for the info. I read about some of it, but not all the quotes that were quoted here.
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Old 02-24-2008, 02:41 AM
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Interesting history
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