[SuperBee364]

Since spring, I've been experimenting with different pre-wax glazes, trying to find the best alternative to HD-Cleanse.

So far, I've tried Menzerna Finishing Touch Glaze, RMG, and P21S Gloss Enhancing Paintwork Cleanser (GEPC). GEPC was recommended to me by Picus over on "that other" detailing board.

HD-Cleanse is known for being an extremely difficult product to use, but it does produce very, *very* nice results. It has great cleaning ability, good filling ability, and leaves a great gloss. That's all assuming you can get the damn stuff off of your paint, though. MFTG is just kinda all-around mediocre. RMG produces a *fantastic* gloss, but doesn't have much cleaning power (in spite of the fact that it smells like strong solvent), and good filling ability.

GEPC, OTOH, is very easy to use. It has good cleaning ability, decent filling, and leaves a gloss superior to that of HD-Cleanse. It can also be applied by PC, which greatly speeds up the process. Just rub it in, allow it to dry, and the resulting glaze residue is *easily* removed by hand. The stuff works, and works *very* well.

I let my wax deteriorate a bit more than I normally do. This resulted in some bug hits on the front of my car that wouldn't come off with a normal wash. GEPC, applied by hand, made quick work of these little nasties. It works very well on the windshield, too. Like the other glazes mentioned, it also works well on plastic, rubber, and trim.

GEPC also makes it easier to apply very thin layers of wax. It's hard to explain, but once you've seen the effect, you'll know what I mean. You don't get those streaky, missed areas that are so common when applying wax. And it makes hand-applying Vintage even easier.

I still prefer RMG for use after abrasive polishing, but for general pre-wax use, GEPC is an amazing product.

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[detaildoc]

Thanks for the reviews. I've been looking into some of these products.

[Denzil]

I must be confused because I thought glazes were meant to fill and gloss up a vehicle. I wasn't aware that some of them had cleaning abilities!

[Brent]

I thought you mentioned in another thread that you finally got HD-Cleanse down pat (wipe on and immediately wipe off) and now loved it.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by Brent

I thought you mentioned in another thread that you finally got HD-Cleanse down pat (wipe on and immediately wipe off) and now loved it.

Yeah, I do have it down to where it's not nearly as big of a PITA as it was. And I continued to use it this way until I ran out. However, once I ran out, I decided to try some other things to see if I could get results as good or better than HD-Cleanse, and possibly cheaper.

There's no doubt that HD-Cleanse is good stuff, and if you use the two-handed method (one hand applies, the other removes) it's much easier than allowing it to dry. But as it turns out, there's other products on the market that give just about as good of results without the aerobic work-out.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by Denzil

I must be confused because I thought glazes were meant to fill and gloss up a vehicle. I wasn't aware that some of them had cleaning abilities!

It seems like about half of the glazes are marketed as having some cleaning ability to em. Cleaner Fluid, HD-Cleanse, GEPC are all marketed as having cleaning ability, yet they are all glazes, too.

[Brent]

Originally Posted by SuperBee364

Yeah, I do have it down to where it's not nearly as big of a PITA as it was. And I continued to use it this way until I ran out. However, once I ran out, I decided to try some other things to see if I could get results as good or better than HD-Cleanse, and possibly cheaper.

There's no doubt that HD-Cleanse is good stuff, and if you use the two-handed method (one hand applies, the other removes) it's much easier than allowing it to dry. But as it turns out, there's other products on the market that give just about as good of results without the aerobic work-out.

Have you tried the S100 version to see if they are the same thing? It is called S100 Shine -Enhancing Cleaner. It is considerably cheaper than GEPC and I was wondering if it is the exact same thing like many people claim P21S Concours Wax is the same as S100 Carnauba Paste Wax.

[SuperBee364]

Originally Posted by Brent

Have you tried the S100 version to see if they are the same thing? It is called S100 Shine -Enhancing Cleaner. It is considerably cheaper than GEPC and I was wondering if it is the exact same thing like many people claim P21S Concours Wax is the same as S100 Carnauba Paste Wax.

I haven't.. I'll put it on my list, though.

[Mindflux]

GEPC is an old old favorite for some of us 'fogies' to detailing. Glad you enjoyed it Bee.

[Pats300zx]

GEPC is old school and has been around for ages. I remember when it was all the rage along with S100...