[reefer_bob]

Great topic... Good info here.

What does Swissvax reccomend for multiple coats I wonder...

Edit: When you say cold water, are we talking ice cold (35 degF) or like cold tap water (60 degF)?

[Calgarydetail]

Originally Posted by reefer_bob

Great topic... Good info here.

What does Swissvax reccomend for multiple coats I wonder...

Edit: When you say cold water, are we talking ice cold (35 degF) or like cold tap water (60 degF)?

cold as in a spray bottle that has been in the freezer long enough for the top of the water to turn to ice (only a few mm of ice) and the rest still water

[bryansbestwax]

The product I currently use is 36% carnuba and all natural, cure time between applications is minutes

[Calgarydetail]

Originally Posted by bryansbestwax

The product I currently use is 36% carnuba and all natural, cure time between applications is minutes

is that the set time or the cure time? the set time is also know as the bond time, this is how long the directions say to leave the wax on the paint before removing. The cure time is how long it takes the oils or solvetns in the wax to evaoprate allowig for full hadness of the wax

[bryansbestwax]

I was a little confused when I wrote it, I meant set time, cure time is unknown, however the finish last for months.

[J_Edwards]

Set time just means the time that it typically takes for the solvents in the wax to evaporate enough for the wax to have a bond with the surface. But this timeframe doesn't necessarily correspond with the time required for all of them to diminish enough for you to apply another coat.

Zymol wants you to let the wax sweat for 24 hours because that is a standard amount of time that they know will be enough for all the solvents in the wax to fully evaporate. The use of the cold water in between the layers is basically to help shock the wax into curing more quickly. The cold temperature helps to make the first layer bond hard with the surface once the solvents are gone, which is why you want to do it before applying another layer. You want to make sure it is truly bonded so the new solvents in the second layer don't help to pull up the first layer.

[Calgarydetail]

Originally Posted by J_Edwards

Set time just means the time that it typically takes for the solvents in the wax to evaporate enough for the wax to have a bond with the surface. But this timeframe doesn't necessarily correspond with the time required for all of them to diminish enough for you to apply another coat.

Zymol wants you to let the wax sweat for 24 hours because that is a standard amount of time that they know will be enough for all the solvents in the wax to fully evaporate. The use of the cold water in between the layers is basically to help shock the wax into curing more quickly. The cold temperature helps to make the first layer bond hard with the surface once the solvents are gone, which is why you want to do it before applying another layer. You want to make sure it is truly bonded so the new solvents in the second layer don't help to pull up the first layer.

good info, the only things i will disagree with are the 24 cure time, I have contated the technical director for zymol on a few ocasions and he says between 3-4 hours is enough tme to cure. The cold water does help harden the wax like you said, but it also levels it giving a better shine. The bumps and vallies are evened out giving a more even look.

Also on a side note, zymol does not use Solvents, they use oils, which is the reason they sweat. I have heard from good authority that the wax formulas call for enzymes from pigs and cow stomachs but the current chemist subsitures the animal oils for more natural oils.

This is an area of contention, i know and i will get flammed by someone but I have talked to people both involved with zymol and not who provide the same info.

But we are talking samantics here..... just thought i would throw the info out there

[J_Edwards]

^^ That is good to know. I didn't know that they weren't specifically "solvents." It isn't like it matters a lot since the results and the procedures are the same, but it is still interesting.

And I didn't mean to use the 24 hour period as a solid timeframe, more as a reference to the "why" you have to wait.

Knowing that it will sufficiently sweat in a shorter timeframe is really beneficial because it means that you can technically apply at least one extra layer in a one day timespan, which is really helpful.

[Calgarydetail]

Originally Posted by J_Edwards

^^ That is good to know. I didn't know that they weren't specifically "solvents." It isn't like it matters a lot since the results and the procedures are the same, but it is still interesting.

And I didn't mean to use the 24 hour period as a solid timeframe, more as a reference to the "why" you have to wait.

Knowing that it will sufficiently sweat in a shorter timeframe is really beneficial because it means that you can technically apply at least one extra layer in a one day timespan, which is really helpful.

the 24 hour time frame is more of a sealent thing that has carried forward to wax. Its a good genaeral guideline but there are waxes and sealents that dont require that much time to cure. And its great when you can wash and wax in the morning and have a second coat of wax on by evening. There is no substitute for the aged zymol look but if a customer wants a second coat in one day then it is possible.

As for the oils/solvents thing. They do the same thing, however the oils are more expensive. It does however allow you to layer (i have done tests with half a car with one coat and half with two and the side with two lasted longer then the side with one). The oils are expensive which is part (that and some wicked marketing) that the zymol range is so expensive.

[Nica]

Great info being shared here Keep it coming.

As to the 24hr waiting period, I personaly prefer it. That's how I applied 5 coats of Vintage on my Lexus yup took 5 days to do it I was very happy with the end results.

Mind you though, I never tried the cold water method, I just use Field Glaze after 3-4hrs (or so) and then the next day prior to the next coat of Vintage...but like I said that's just my personal preference. My way of thinking is that 24hrs is better well just in case....that's my reason and I'm sticking to it..no reall scientific theary

Has anyone else applied a second coat of Vintage after 24hrs?

Oh actually where I got the 24hrs is from Paul Dalton he's the one that suggested I do it every 24hrs and it works well for me.