[budman3]

Originally Posted by devast8

Maybe you should try small pad on the UMD? I don't have one but I know with the PC I never had great results with a 6.5 pads, with ANY polishes.

When I made the switch to 5.5 low profile pad it made all the difference.

Will do. I have plenty of 5.5 low pro pads and 4 inch pads and I will give it a go with these products.

Originally Posted by FMINUS

I dont understand why someone would pay 2x the price for a product that "acts" like a product thats 1x the price.

Menzerna is pretty user friendly IMO.....(not saying it wont act up from time to time)

I was interested to see if Wolfgang added anything to the Menz to make it a hybrid of both, which they may have done but I personally can't tell, since I have never used SIP which MAK says is very similar to the TSR3.0

Originally Posted by Dannyk

Thanks for taking the time out to test a new product. Maybe some others after procuring this product can give it a try and see what happens.

Thanks. I am interested to see what others have to say and see how they use the products.

Originally Posted by Gemini13

Thanks for the review and taking the time out to do it. Its to bad it turned into something else.

Thanks, I don't mind doing reviews because it they are beneficial to all. This is my first review on DB ... so we'll see if more will come or not.

	PC Porter-Cable Orbital Buffer 7424 or 7336. One of the most famous tool used by a variety of detailers, from weekend warriors to professional detailers.

[Gemini13]

Originally Posted by budman3

Thanks, I don't mind doing reviews because it they are beneficial to all. This is my first review on DB ... so we'll see if more will come or not.

My thing is this, as someone who is new to this I clicked on the thread thinking there would be 3 pages of feedback on the products and instead I get 3 pages of people jumping up your butt because you have posted on various forums that you don't like to use Menz with a random orbital but instead prefer using it with a rotary. So instead of expounding further upon your findings with these products you have to defend your previous findings which IMO have little or nothing to do with this thread. I don't understand the mob mentality with Menz (its obviously a good polish but people act like its the second coming...) and that you can't speak negatively about it or they come and brandish you with a scarlet M. Just because someone else has found it to be difficult to use with PC/UDM/G110 etc. and you have found it to work fine doesn't make you right and the other person wrong. Different people using the same thing will often yield different results. There are to many variables in the equation not to. Just my .02.

	PC Porter-Cable Orbital Buffer 7424 or 7336. One of the most famous tool used by a variety of detailers, from weekend warriors to professional detailers.

[Tonya]

Thanks for taking the time!!! Nice review!!

[budman3]

Fast forward a few months and here is an updated review of the Wolfgang TSR3.0. I have used the duo with various machines, pads and weather conditions. I have yet to have any difficulties nor almost any dusting. At times the TSR dusts a little but more of the time it doesn't dust at all, even with a PC or UDM, surprisingly. When using a DA with these products, I have found the 4" pads to be key, with 2 dots of product on the pad. Via rotary, any polishing pad will suffice. Many think that TSR3.0 is identical to SIP but after reading the horror stories of SIP, I find it very hard to believe. TSR3.0 is a breeze to use. The only issues I have had with the TSR3.0 was via D/A in the above review when it was 45 degrees in the garage. Since then I have used it when it was hot, hot and humid, very humid and when it was cool. Not once was it difficult to work with.

Anyways, onto the pictures. The vehicle in the pics will have an appropriate thread in the future, so take this as a tease. The paint is single stage BTW. I used only TSR3.0, UDM, and 4" LC light cut pad.

Taped up for 50/50 shots, notice the marring:


Spread on speed 4:


Worked in on speed 6:


Flashed and ready to be removed (<2 mins):


Removed:


50/50 shots:




Here is a zoomed in picture of the 50/50 shot:


Not bad for a product that will remove that marring yet leave a darn near LSP finish ...

	PC Porter-Cable Orbital Buffer 7424 or 7336. One of the most famous tool used by a variety of detailers, from weekend warriors to professional detailers.

	LSP Last Step Product, meaning protection either wax or sealant.

[er1k024]

Great review. I just ordered this a few days ago. Just like you said in the beginning, IP doesn't do much with a pc.

	PC Porter-Cable Orbital Buffer 7424 or 7336. One of the most famous tool used by a variety of detailers, from weekend warriors to professional detailers.

	AGO Auto Geek Online (forum)

[buja]

did you spritz the pads with the pinnacle pad conditioner prior ?

what about 5.5 inch pads ? was it good enough on the udm ?
and 2 peas on the pad sounds good ! more economical

[budman3]

Originally Posted by buja

did you spritz the pads with the pinnacle pad conditioner prior ?

what about 5.5 inch pads ? was it good enough on the udm ?
and 2 peas on the pad sounds good ! more economical

I tried the pinnacle in the first test but lately I have simply been using 50/50 isopropyl alcohol and water. I believe that was the recommendation by CMA a few years ago when they first carried Menzerna. It works well to prime pads and to aid in oily residue removal after polishing as well. The 5.5" pads did work as well, but may require a few more dabs of polish on the pad, depending on the size of area you are working on. As with most polishes, speed 6 will be your friend with a PC and UDM. Mine was ... until it began losing power today and bogging with the slightest amount of pressure. I doubt there are any replacement parts available for it like there are for the PC 7424's ...

	PC Porter-Cable Orbital Buffer 7424 or 7336. One of the most famous tool used by a variety of detailers, from weekend warriors to professional detailers.

	AGO Auto Geek Online (forum)

[budman3]

Here are a few more pics ... TSR3.0 w/ Makita, FG3.0 with UDM, both with polishing pads:

[MadOzodi]

Thanks for the update budman, nice work!

[P1et]

Originally Posted by pirex

To me it seems that menzerna hates cold weather, but has no problems in sun. I have used it in full sun and 30C.

The only problem I've had was with SIP in humid weather. Look it down and you have a miracle product. Too much humidity and you just want to throw the bottle away!