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Old 04-07-2008, 11:51 AM
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As many of you know, Wolfgang reformulated their swirl removers with help from Menzerna. I don’t have a whole lot of experience with Menzerna (PG, IP, FP, 106ff, 85u) but I have had better luck with some than others, especially with a PC or UDM. The 106FF is one of my new favorite polishes and works great with both types of machines. IP, on the other hand, sucks with a PC no matter how much or little I use, primed or not, amount of time worked in, etc, yet it works great with a rotary. I have not used SIP but the TSR3.0 may be similar to that. The fine folks at Autogeek generously sent me some to sample out and I was able to do some quick testing this past weekend. The new Wolfgang 3.0 swirl removers come in the typical high quality Wolfgang bottles and don’t have any artificial smells to them. I could tell right off the bat that these are professional products in the Wolfgang bottle. Since the products are still new, I wasn’t 100% positive on how to use them and what techniques worked the best. Just a warning, the paint on the Jeep is very poor with clear coat cracking sporadically across the hood. You can see it in the pictures after the rotary and TSR3.0.

Wolfgang Total Swirl Remover 3.0:
The bottle said that this is a strong polish / compound that will remove a lot of defects yet finish out like a final polish. I can’t argue that point yet, a moderate amount of swirls were removed with no micro marring at all. It left a nice finish. I did use it with a rotary and UDM, hoping it would be more user friendly than Menzerna via UDM.

This first set of pictures is after using the swirl remover with a UDM and a 6” Lake Country CCS polishing pad. I did not know how much product to use and the first picture shows how much I used on the first panel to prime the pad. I did not use any water or pad conditioner ahead of time. Well to say the least, this was too much product. The polish spread very nicely and I worked it in for a very long time with light to no dusting. I never did get the polish to go translucent so I tried wiping it off and it was very difficult. It was obvious that I used too much product and I was paying the price. Even though I used too much product and it didn’t get broken down all of the way, there was no marring. Trying to find the right amount, I moved onto a new panel with less product and primed the pad with Pinnacle Pad Conditioner (3 pea sized dots). This worked better but was still slightly difficult to use. Here are the pictures:

Amount used on fresh pad:


Panel before:


After


Less product used on new panel:



Before:


After (noticed slightly more dusting this time around):


I have learned that Menzerna products work a lot better via rotary so I treated the Wolfgang polishes the same way. The TSR3.0 was used with a 6.5” Lake Country CCS polishing pad. I used a lot less to prime the pad this time around as well. To say the least, I am impressed after using it with the rotary. I used it on two sections of the hood (only one is pictured) and learned less is more with this polish. I will have to change out the Pinnacle Pad Conditioner for straight water for my next test session to see if that helps. Removal of the polish was a lot easier than with a UDM but it was still ‘grabby’.

Amount used on fresh pad:


Panel before (notice cracking):


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Wolfgang Finishing Glaze 3.0
I did the same sections above with the same machines but this time around with the Finishing Glaze on a 6.5” Lake Country CCS finishing pad. I was expecting this product to lightly polish and clean the paint, and add some gloss and or protection like typical glazes – not the case, this is purely a final polish. I don’t have anything to say about application or removal, everything worked nicely. I still prefer to use the rotary than UDM but the UDM was fairly effective (moreso than TSR3.0). What really surprised me was the amount of correction done by the Finishing Glaze with a finishing pad. I did not polish the front lip of the hood, which left me a perfect spot for 50/50 shots of the correctional abilities of this product.

I sectioned off the hood to see if I could tell any differences (which I did not except on the front lip):


Here is the FG3.0 on the UDM:


After the UDM and finishing pad 50/50:


After the rotary and finishing pad 50/50:


And the rest are pictures from the rotary side (which impressed me the most)








Again, the results are hard to see because the paint on the hood is terrible. Most of the damage that is left will remain until a repaint. It's strange that the rest of the vehicle is decent yet the hood is junk. Also, these are simply my initial feelings about the products, not long term assessments. These products are new to the market and I figured any info given would be better than none at all. This was my first time using them and you may have different experiences. I used these in my garage where it was about 45-50 degrees, if that helps anyone. Let me know if you have any questions or comments.
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Nice review! Thank you for taking your time to make it! I won`t buy these two, no reason to switch from menzerna.
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Nice review... tahnks for taking the time to do this!
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Pirex, thats my feeling, why buy that when you can get the real thing.
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Nice review, appreciate you taking the time to do this..i was wondering about 3.0...i will have to stick with menzerna as well... thanks again!
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I was hoping that this polish would be a hybrid of the Wolfgang and Menzerna but it is seeming that it is more Menzerna than Wolfgang, which is fine but not quite what I was looking for.
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I was hoping that this polish would be a hybrid of the Wolfgang and Menzerna but it is seeming that it is more Menzerna than Wolfgang, which is fine but not quite what I was looking for.
Hey budman: Did you mean you were hoping they would be less sensitive to ambient environment?
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Nice review budman3. Menzerna has been my favorite polish for a while now.
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To me it seems that menzerna hates cold weather, but has no problems in sun. I have used it in full sun and 30C.
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